Seeking parentage of Lambert Albertsen and Janna Harms of 18th century Deventer

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Steve Barnhoorn
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Seeking parentage of Lambert Albertsen and Janna Harms of 18th century Deventer

Bericht door Steve Barnhoorn » 27 apr 2022, 00:46

Hi:

As you can tell from the title, I am seeking the parentage of Lambert Albertsen and Janna Harmse. Their family structure is as follows:

Name: Lambert ALBERTSEN
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Birth Date: ca 1704
Burial Date: 17 May 1777
Burial Place: Deventer, Overijssel, Netherlands
Religion: Roman Catholic
Marriage Date: 25 Apr 1745
Marriage Place: Deventer, Overijssel, Netherlands
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Spouse: Janna HARMSE
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Birth Date: ca 1721
Burial Date: 11 Dec 1778
Burial Place: Deventer, Overijssel, Netherlands
Religion: Roman Catholic

Children:
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1 F: Joanna Alberdina ALBERS
Christen Date: 30 Nov 1745
Christen Place: Deventer, Overijssel, Netherlands
Religion: Roman Catholic
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2 F: Hermina ALBERS (Died as Infant)
Christen Date: 14 Apr 1747
Christen Place: Deventer, Overijssel, Netherlands
Christen Memo: Witness: Alberdinda "soror patris."
Burial Date: 31 Jan 1748
Burial Place: Deventer, Overijssel, Netherlands
Religion: Roman Catholic
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3 F: Hermina ALBERS
Christen Date: 24 Apr 1749
Christen Place: Deventer, Overijssel, Netherlands
Religion: Roman Catholic
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4 F: Engberdina ALBERS
Christen Date: 23 Apr 1751
Christen Place: Deventer, Overijssel, Netherlands
Christen Memo: Witness: Wilmina ALBERS.
Burial Date: 24 Jul 1782
Burial Place: Deventer, Overijssel, Netherlands
Education: Able to sign own name
Religion: Roman Catholic
Spouse: Christianus BOERS
Marriage Date: 21 Aug 1768
Marriage Place: Deventer, Overijssel, Netherlands
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5 F: Gerarda ALBERS
Christen Date: 18 Apr 1753
Christen Place: Deventer, Overijssel, Netherlands
Religion: Roman Catholic
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6 M: Joannes ALBERS
Christen Date: 5 May 1755
Christen Place: Deventer, Overijssel, Netherlands
Christen Memo: Witness: Dina HERMS.
Religion: Roman Catholic

NOTE: Lambert Albertsen [Alberts; Albers] was previously married to Janna Gerrits. Ondertrouw 1e Deventer gerecht 31 March 1731.
Trouwt 1e Deventer gerecht 14 April 1731; r.k. Broerderenkerk 15 April 1731.

The next generation of which I am a descendant:

Name: Christianus BOERS
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Christen Date: 25 Nov 1742
Christen Place: Heerlen, Limburg, Netherlands
Burial Date: 3 Dec 1795
Burial Place: Deventer, Overijssel, Netherlands
Education: Able to sign own name
Religion: Roman Catholic
Marriage Date: 21 Aug 1768
Marriage Place: Deventer, Overijssel, Netherlands
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Spouse: Engberdina ALBERS
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Christen Date: 23 Apr 1751
Christen Place: Deventer, Overijssel, Netherlands
Christen Memo: Witness: Wilmina ALBERS.
Burial Date: 24 Jul 1782
Burial Place: Deventer, Overijssel, Netherlands
Education: Able to sign own name
Religion: Roman Catholic
Father: Lambert ALBERTSEN (ca 1704-brd. 1777)
Mother: Janna HARMSE (ca 1721-brd. 1778)

Children:
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1 F: Maria BOERS
Christen Date: 25 Aug 1769
Christen Place: Deventer, Overijssel, Netherlands
Christen Memo: Witness: Joanna ALBERS.
Death Date: 3 Mar 1845
Death Place: Deventer, Overijssel, Netherlands
Education: Able to sign own name
Religion: Roman Catholic
Spouse: Jan Derk BRONS
Marriage Date: 16 May 1798
Marriage Place: Deventer, Overijssel, Netherlands
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2 F: Gardine BOERS
Christen Date: 11 Jun 1771
Christen Place: Deventer, Overijssel, Netherlands
Christen Memo: Witness: Gardina ALBERS.
Religion: Roman Catholic
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3 F: Peternella BOERS
Christen Date: 19 Jun 1773
Christen Place: Deventer, Overijssel, Netherlands
Christen Memo: Witness: Petro BOERS, "fratre Patris."
Religion: Roman Catholic
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4 M: Lambertus BOERS
Christen Date: 1 Jan 1775
Christen Place: Deventer, Overijssel, Netherlands
Christen Memo: Witness: Lambertus ALBERS, "patre matris."
Religion: Roman Catholic
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5 M: Joannes BOERS
Christen Date: 8 Feb 1777
Christen Place: Deventer, Overijssel, Netherlands
Christen Memo: Witness: Joanna ALBERS.
Religion: Roman Catholic
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6 F: Wilmina Gertrudis BOERS
Christen Date: 27 Mar 1779
Christen Place: Deventer, Overijssel, Netherlands
Christen Memo: Witness: Wilmpken ALBERS.
Religion: Roman Catholic

As you can see, I italicized the applicable names of the baptismal witnesses.

Despite my best efforts, I have been unable to ascertain the parents of both Lambert and Janna. Hopefully, I have provided some clues.

Thank you in advance for your time. I would welcome feedback and help.
Laatst gewijzigd door Steve Barnhoorn op 29 apr 2022, 08:07, 4 keer totaal gewijzigd.

carolina
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Re: Seeking parentage of Lambert Albertsen and Janna Harms of 18th century Deventer

Bericht door carolina » 28 apr 2022, 16:33

When Lambert married in 1745 he was the widower of Janna Gerrits Braak and he was living ‘op het Pothooft’. There were children from his first marriage. "De bruidegom zal zijn kinderen bewijs doen"

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903 ... cat=227067

Lambert married Janna Gerrits in 1731 (he was living ' op het Pothooft' and she was from Eibergen)

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903 ... cat=227067

Steve Barnhoorn
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Re: Seeking parentage of Lambert Albertsen and Janna Harms of 18th century Deventer

Bericht door Steve Barnhoorn » 28 apr 2022, 17:03

carolina schreef:
28 apr 2022, 16:33
When Lambert married in 1745 he was the widower of Janna Gerrits Braak and he was living ‘op het Pothooft’. There were children from his first marriage. "De bruidegom zal zijn kinderen bewijs doen"

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903 ... cat=227067

Lambert married Janna Gerrits in 1731 (he was living ' op het Pothooft' and she was from Eibergen)

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903 ... cat=227067
Thanks for posting. I'm curious. Where's op het Pothooft' ? A section of Deventer?

Egbert_
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Re: Seeking parentage of Lambert Albertsen and Janna Harms of 18th century Deventer

Bericht door Egbert_ » 28 apr 2022, 21:52

See: https://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pothoofd

Just outside the gate, nr. 13 on this map:
https://collectieoverijssel.nl/collecti ... miview=ldt

Building houses was of a later date than mid 17th century. But there were a few houses in the 18th century. Most likely between the nr 6 and 8 (with green background, on the map of wikipedia)

Steve Barnhoorn
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Re: Seeking parentage of Lambert Albertsen and Janna Harms of 18th century Deventer

Bericht door Steve Barnhoorn » 29 apr 2022, 07:57

Since I brought up the family grouping of Lambert Albertsen's second marriage and family, I felt it fitting to post the same for Lambert's family by his first marriage:

Name: Lambert ALBERTSEN
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Birth Date: ca 1704
Burial Date: 17 May 1777
Burial Place: Deventer, Overijssel, Netherlands
Religion: Roman Catholic
Marriage Date: 15 April 1731
Marriage Place: Deventer, Overijssel, Netherlands
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Spouse: Janna GERRITS
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Birth Date: ca 1705
Burial Date: 24 Jul 1742
Burial Place: Deventer, Overijssel, Netherlands
Religion: Roman Catholic

Children:
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1 F: Cornelius ALBERS
Christen Date: 31 Aug 1738
Christen Place: Deventer, Overijssel, Netherlands
Christen Memo: Witness: Albertje Lambers
Religion: Roman Catholic
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2 F: Euphemia ALBERS
Christen Date: 2 Oct 1740
Christen Place: Deventer, Overijssel, Netherlands
Christen Memo: Witness: Albertje Lambers
Religion: Roman Catholic

Steve Barnhoorn
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Re: Seeking parentage of Lambert Albertsen and Janna Harms of 18th century Deventer

Bericht door Steve Barnhoorn » 03 mei 2022, 21:19

Found one item of interest in the Deventer (RK) registers:

9 March 1753:

Judith fil. Gerardi Hermsen et Joanne Levavit. Joanna Hermsen "sorors patris."

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903 ... cat=227503

In April 2009, I came across a website (which I do not believe is functional), the following genealogy was posted on the Internet (but I copied and pasted the information that was posted at the time):

Genealogie van Gerrit ten Berchuis

I.1 Gerrit ten Berchuis, landbouwer Berhuijs, overleden 1601-1626, word vermeld dd 1601 als volget; Berchuijs als boederij ligt in het buurtschap Rande/Toene in het schoutambt Cromschate ten noord-westen van Deventer aan de IJssel. In 1601 vinden we in het register van verponding op " erven katersteden en land" het volgende; Gerrit ten Berchuijs; 8 mud graan, 2 weiden.
Gehuwd circa 1600 met NN.
Uit dit huwelijk:
1. Gerrit Berghuis (zie II.1).

II.1 Gerrit Berghuis, geboren circa 1601 te Rande-/Toene/Colmschate, overleden na 1660, collecten in schoutambt Colmschate/Rande/Toene voor 1660 Gerrit Berghuijs 2gld 3 st 0 penn.
1660 Gerrit Berghuijs 4gld 4 st 0 penn. Zoon van Gerrit ten Berchuis (zie I.1) en NN.
Gehuwd circa 1630 met NN.
Uit dit huwelijk:
1. Gerrit Gerritsen Berghuis (zie III.1).

III.1 Gerrit Gerritsen Berghuis, schoenmaker bij hoofdschout, geboren circa 1631 te Colmschate, burger 501 int Burgerboek, Gerrit Gerrits Berghuijs, geboren uijt Colmschate/Rande/Toene, schoenmaker bij hoofdschout, onder de burger-hopluiden, met clein-burgerschap voorsien, vroeger hopman hoofd van de burgerij om daar te houden informa.... zwart Corame Hoofdschout ter Borck, den 11-11-1674. Betaeld hoofdgeld dd 1675. Woont dan in de Engestraet is dan laatste van 1675 van zijn vader, die kan dan nog leven, en aangezien voor 2 personen, en Gerrit gerrits nogal wat kinderen heeft, zou dat kunnen. Zoon van Gerrit Berghuis (zie II.1) en NN.
Gehuwd voor de kerk circa 1656 met Wilmken Hendriksen, geboren circa 1633.
Uit dit huwelijk:
1. ....... Berghuis, gedoopt op 01-03-1657 te Deventer.

2. Claesken Berghuis, gedoopt op 09-04-1658 te Deventer.

3. Gerrit Gerritsen (zie IV.3).

4. Joannes Berghuis, gedoopt op 14-09-1662 te Deventer.

5. Johanna Berghuis, gedoopt op 15-01-1665 te Deventer.

6. Eva Berghuis, gedoopt op 12-08-1666 te Deventer.

7. Evert Berghuis, gedoopt op 03-01-1668 te Deventer.

8. Jan Berghuis, gedoopt op 26-09-1669 te Deventer.

9. Willemken Berghuis, gedoopt op 26-12-1670 te Deventer.

IV.3 Gerrit Gerritsen, gedoopt op 13-01-1660 (NG) te Deventer, zoon van Gerrit Gerritsen Berghuis (zie III.1) en Wilmken Hendriksen.
Gehuwd 1681 te Deventer met Anneken Harmsen.
Uit dit huwelijk:
1. Joannes Gerritsen, gedoopt (NG) op 19-03-1682 te Deventer.

2. Hermannus Gerritsen (zie V.2).

3. Hermina Gerritsen, gedoopt op 09-03-1686 te Deventer.

V.2 Hermannus Gerritsen, gedoopt op 02-09-1684 (NG) te Deventer, zoon van Gerrit Gerritsen (zie IV.3) en Anneken Harmsen.
Gehuwd circa 1713 met Maria Jansen Oxels, geboren te Oxen.
Uit dit huwelijk:
1. Gerardus (Garrit) Harms Berghuijs, , gedoopt (NG) 01-02-1714

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/6190 ... cat=227480

2. Matthijs Harmsen, gedoopt (NG) op 24-02-1717 te Oxe/Deventer, overleden circa 1723 te Deventer.

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903 ... cat=227480

3. Joanna Harmsen / Herms, geboren circa 1720 te Deventer.
Gehuwd voor de kerk op 25-04-1745 te Deventer (RK) met Lambert Aalbers [Alberts], geboren circa 1720 te Deventer. Woonende in 1757 op den Bongert in Lange Weteringe.


4. Fenneke Harmsen, gedoopt op 16-01-1724 te Deventer.

5. Matthijs Harmsen, sergeant, gedoopt (RK) op 12-05-1726 te Deventer, overleden voor 1775.
Gehuwd met Geertrui Harmsen (Harman), begraven op 23-10-1775 te Deventer / Broederenkerk.

Unfortunately, I have been unable to find any other information to confirm the parentage of Joanna Harmsen/Harms/Herms through a baptism or a notarial document.

Hopefully, this latest information will generate some helpful feedback.

Thanks.

Steve Barnhoorn
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Re: Seeking parentage of Lambert Albertsen and Janna Harms of 18th century Deventer

Bericht door Steve Barnhoorn » 09 mei 2022, 18:27

Given the lack of replies on this particular thread, I thought I would inject some much-needed humor:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2AamJFpALjM


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